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June 23–26, 2026
Friday, August 1, 2025
Tisha B'av Compendium
诪砖谞讻谞住 讗讘 诪诪注讟讬谉 讘砖诪讞讛
According to the Chasam Sofer,(O.Ch. 160) the Halacha of 诪砖谞讻谞住 讗讘 诪诪注讟讬谉 讘砖诪讞讛 refers to only one single Halacha, "Not to build a 讘谞讬谉 砖诇 砖诪讞讛 in the nine days".(starting 专"讞)
All the other restrictions (Even according to the 专诪"讗) Halachically doesn't start on 专"讞 讗讘 but starts at the beginning of the week of Tisha B'av. 砖讘讜注 砖讞诇 讘讜.
讗砖讻谞讝讬诐 start the restrictions from 专讗砖 讞讚砖 because the 专诪"讗 says that this is our Minhag 讜讗谞讜 谞讜讛讙讬谉 诇讛讞诪讬专.
"There were places where the Minhag on Tisha B'av was, to get a person to bend over. They covered him with a sheet, placed the Sefer Torah on his back and called up the3 Aliyos."(Krias Hatorah)
There were Gedolim who tried to abolish this Minhag because,
a) It seems very weird
b) He might pass wind.
The Chida disagrees and claims, this Minhag has roots and cannot be abolished.
The Shu"t Dvar Shmuel (249) defends this Minhag even though hedoesn't know the source and also it seems very strange.
Possible Mokor:
In 诪住' 住讜驻专讬诐 讬"讞: 讝 it says, the Minhag on Tisha B'Av is, to wrap
the Sefer Torah In a black cloth, place it ( Sefer Torah) ** on the floor,
and say 谞驻诇讛 注讟专转 专讗砖谞讜. Afterwards, you do Kerias HaTorah.
The 讗讘讜讚专讛诐 writes, on Tisha B'Av, you don't place the Sefer Torah
(for Krias HaTorah) in its usual place. (Bimah)
This might be the reason for the Minhag.
They didn't want to put the Sefer Torah on the Bimah or on the floor.
Shuls had no tables, so the only place to put down the Sefer Torah
for Leining was on the back of a person. 讗诪讘爪讬
*"There is no Minhag that looks (weirder) funnier than this".('转砖讜讘讛 诪讗讛讘讛 讗讜"讞 爪)
**The Tur & Abudraham's girsa is Tik Shel S.T.(the Mantel was placed on the floor)
诪讝诇 讟讜讘 Saying "诪讝诇 讟讜讘" to the 讘注诇讬 砖诪讞讛 on T.B'av is not considered 砖讗讬诇转 砖诇讜诐 and is permitted (砖讜"转 砖诇诪转 讞讬讬诐 R.YCh. Zonenfeld zt"l)
Hello, goodbye, Good morning. Good Evening,
Sefer 诇拽讟 讬讜砖专 (Talmid of 转专讜诪转 讛讚砖谉) quotes from the 转专讜诪转 讛讚砖谉 "The 讗讬住讜专* of 砖讗讬诇转 砖诇讜诐 is only when the word 砖诇讜诐 is used. Saying Good Evening etc. is allowed**."
* Aveilus & Tisha B'av
** The T.H. wouldn't personally rely on his own 讛讬转专.
* possibly more --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Is there a 讞讬讜讘 to learn on 转砖注讛 讘讗讘?
The 住驻专 砖讘讟 讬讛讜讚讛 讬讜专"讚 住' 砖驻"讚 住"讚* has a 讞拽讬专讛
" When Chazal said one may learn 讚讘专讬诐 专注讬诐 does it mean that there is a 讞讬讜讘 of 转诇诪讜讚 转讜专讛 but limited to only 讚讘专讬诐 专注讬诐
or do we say that an 讗讘诇 or on 转"讘, there is no 讞讬讜讘 转诇诪讬讚 转讜专讛 but Chazal came up with a 讛讬转专 of learning 讚讘专讬诐 专注讬诐 if one wants to learn, but there is no obligation to do s.o"
The 砖讘讟 讬讛讜讚讛 concludes that there is no 讞讬讜讘 of 转诇诪讜讚 转讜专讛, and one is not obligated to learn at all.
The Bais Hamikdash was destroyed because of Kamtza and Bar Kamtza. (Gittin 55b)
1) Why was 拽诪爪讗 at fault? (He didn't do anything)
2) Why wasn't the 讘注诇 讛住注讜讚讛 at fault? Shouldn't he be the number one culprit?
3) Why were the 专讘谞谉 who kept quiet at the meal, not at fault?
4) The Gemoro on 56a said it was 专' 讝讻专讬' 讘谉 讗讘拽讜诇住 fault.
The simple answer:
When the 讙诪专讗 says because of 拽诪爪讗 & 讘专 拽诪爪讗 the 讙诪专讗 is not specifically faulting them. All the 讙诪专讗 is saying is that because of the story of 拽诪爪讗 & 讘专 拽诪爪讗 the 讞专讘谉 came about.
So who was really at fault?
We can point fingers at all those involved in the story.
1) 讘专 拽诪爪讗 - Informing against the Yidden
2) 拽诪爪讗 - Accordind to the 讘谉 讗讬砖 讞讬, 拽诪爪讗 & 专' 讝讻专讬讛 讘谉 讗讘拽讜诇住 are the same person.
3) 讘注诇 讛住注讜讚讛 - Not allowing 讘专 拽诪爪讗 to stay on.
4) 专讘谞谉 - Didn't interfere.
5) 专' 讝讻专讬讛 讘谉 讗讘拽讜诇住 - Insisted on not accepting the 拽专讘谉
The moral of the story is to keep your distance, far away from 诪讞诇讜拽转 even when you are not part of it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The weirdest Minhag*
The 讘专讻讬 讬讜住祝 (讞讬讚"讗) (O. Ch. 559 : 4) writes.
There were places where the Minhag on Tisha B'av was to get a person to bend over.
They covered him with a sheet, placed the Sefer Torah on his back and called up the (注诇讬讜转 (拽专讬讗转 讛转讜专讛
There were Gedolim who tried to abolish this Minhag because,
a) It seems very weird b) He might pass wind.
The 讞讬讚"讗 disagrees with them and claims, this Minhag has roots, and cannot be abolished.
The 砖讜"转 讚讘专 砖诪讜讗诇 l(249) defends this Minhag even though he doesn't know the source, and it seems very strange.
Possible Mokor (Source):
In 诪住讻转 住讜驻专讬诐 (18:7) it says, the Minhag on Tisha B'Av is to wrap the Sefer Torah In a black cloth, place it (Sefer Torah) ** on the floor, and say 谞驻诇讛 注讟专转 专讗砖讬谞讜 Afterward, you do 拽专讬讗转 讛转讜专讛.
The 讗讘讜讚专讛诐 writes that on Tisha B'Av, you don't place the Sefer Torah in its usual place. (讘讬诪讛)
Perhaps, the reason for the Minhag to place the Sefer Torah on the back of a person bending down. They didn't want to put the Sefer Torah on the 讘讬诪讛 or on the floor. (Shuls had no tables) 讗诪讘爪讬
*"There is no Minhag that looks (weirder) funnier than this". (Teshuva Meiahava O.Ch. 90)
**The Tur & Abudraham's girsa is Tik Shel S.T. (the Mantel )
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The only day in the year when talking to an 注讻讜"诐 is forbidden is on Tisha B'av during the 拽讬谞讜转)
According to the Rambam, there are two Tisha B'Av Halachos that are applicable exclusively & only for Talmidei Chachomim.
(not learning Torah on T.B. applies to everyone.)
1 ) The Rambam Hl. Taniyos (Prk. 5 Hl. 9) writes, On Erev Tisha B'av, the Chasidim Harishonim would eat only dry bread with salt, soaked in water. (no cooked dishes) And it would be proper for Chachamim to do so. The Rambam continued in his lifetime; he never ate cooked food, even lentils, on Erev Tisha B'av, unless it fell on Shabbos.
2) Hl. 11 The Rambam writes Talmidei Chachamimdon't give Sholom to each other, on Tisha B'av.
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